News: Franklin Templeton Shootout
December 7 2011
2:49 pm
Tee times released for Shootout
The always popular Franklin Templeton Shootout, which will feature 24 of the game’s best players, gets under way on Friday at Tiburon Golf Club in Naples.
The first round will be played with a modified alternate-shot format while the second round is contested as best ball and the final round is a scramble.
Scott Stallings, who won The Greenbrier Classic earlier this year, was the last man in the field after J.B. Holmes had to withdraw earlier this week. The Shootout was to be Holmes’ competitive debut after he had surgery in September to correct a Chiari malformation of his brain.
"While I continue to make great strides in my recovery … I am not 100 percent and I think it would be a disservice to my partner, Kenny Perry, and the entire Franklin Templeton Shootout organization for me to play at less than full capacity," Holmes said.
Stallings, who is making his Shootout debut, will now play with Perry. Here are the first-round pairings.
| Tee time | Pairings |
| 9:55 a.m. ET | Jason Dufner/Sean O’Hair and Chad Campbell/Chris DiMarco |
| 10:07 a.m. ET | Mark Calcavecchia/Nick Price and Rory Sabbatini/Jhonattan Vegas |
| 10:19 a.m. ET | Charles Howell III/Justin Leonard and Stewart Cink/Bo Van Pelt |
| 10:31 a.m. ET | Jerry Kelly/Steve Stricker and Kenny Perry/Scott Stallings |
| 10:43 a.m. ET | Keegan Bradley/Brendan Steele and Webb Simpson/Anthony Kim |
| 10:55 a.m. ET | Greg Norman/Scott McCarron and Rickie Fowler/Camilo Villegas |
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Wow…The Shark is really starting to dig down in the barrel to find players. Wasn’t the field a lot stronger years ago?
I think they dug pretty deep for the Chevron Challenge to. Top players don’t care so much about these silly season events like they once did.
how could he possibly lose he’s keegan bradley for g*ds sake. he could play with himself and still win this. surely this is the end off the line.!!!
Same old problem. Money goes to money. Many of these players have won so much and realy don’t need to add to their wealth. Why not open the matches to some other players who play just as well and could use a few extra dollars
Time is too valuable to waste with these limited field, don’t matter deals. Hundreds of guys are idle, fill a field and play, give it points, make it matter. The silly season needs to evolve, doesn’t it?
Scott McCarron wow. They are really digging down deep. Wasnt his last win in Portland when he teamed with Steve Elkington
Yeah just like Tiger Wood’s win at the Chevron “World” Challenge meant nothing last week. Every one of the 18 players had a nice season cashing alot of dollars.
Why was it called “world” challenge, by the way? A mere 14 of the 18 particpants were American.
I don’t mind the fact that these minor events are for the richer players though what bothered me last week with Wood’s win is he got World Ranking Points for his win. He moved up from a lowly 52nd in the world to 21st after his narrow victory against a Mediocre field.
Any Tournament with less than 100 Players playing in it should NOT receive World Ranking Points. That goes with the Accenture Match Play, too. Just 64 players. How is it fair? It isnt giving all other players a fair crack at moving on up.
Now back to Woods. Wood’s beat a field where Steve Stricker who is far from a prolific winner was the highest ranked player in the field and he finished 16th out of 18 players.
Now Rory Mcilroy beating 155 other players was a far greater achievement, especially when he HAD to win to give himself a chance of Winning the Dubai World Championship this weekend and going on to win the European Tour Money Title.
Even Lee Westwood’s Successful Title Defence down in South Africa in the Nedbank Golf Challenge was a better win than Wood’s.
Why?!?!?
Because World Number 1,3 and 4 were playing. As were the reigning Masters Champion, runner up in the US PGA and the reigning OPEN CHAMPION, Darren Clarke.
2010 US Open Champ, McDowell was also there.
The lowest ranked player in the field was Darren Clarke at #38 in the World.
The lowest ranked player in the Chevron was Tiger Woods at #52. Then Gary Woodlan at #48, Zach Johnson at #47 and Jim Furyk at #45.
Yup, Europeans are still dominating golf.
What is up with American arrogance and thinking golf is played no where else on this planet apart from the United States?
Why in the Poll on the main page is Noh-Seung Yoh not in the options of players you think will be Rookie of the year 2012?!?!?
Bud Cauley got majority of the votes and this is a cop out. I respect people are entitled to their opinion but Bud Cauley has never won a tournament. Danny Lee won on the European Tour a couple of years ago and is only like 21 years old now. Noh-Seung Yoh won the Malaysian Open in fine style beating his Hero KJ Choi in doing so as a 19 year old in the 2012 season.
Noh averaged 304 yards on the European Tour off the tee, hits alot of aggressive iron shots, putts really well and gets alot of birdies as he proved in the Q School. In my view Noh-Seung Yoh is favourite to be Rookie of the Year 2012 it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if he won a tournament.
Sorry just noticed an error I made – …. beating his Hero KJ Choi in doing so as a 19 year old in the *****2010**** season, sorry.
Well I better make a comment regarding the Shootout now.
Well I’ll have to go with the team of Webb Simpson and Anthony Kim simply because Kim seems to be coming back into form after a good finish in Asia recently when MCILROY BEAT him in a Play-Off to wina cool 1.25 million pounds. Kim as we know can be a birdie machine, as can Webb.
But, if and it is a big IF Charles Howell III can get his Putter going for a change, I wouldnt be surprised if the team of Howell III and Justin Leonard won the game.
American star who hasnt won on the PGA Tour yet Rickie Fowler could come close if Camillo putts well, Rickie seems to always putt well.
Thanks Sean for writing on here instead of your diary today.
His name is Noh Seung-yul by the way.
Sean I have to agree with your comments in regards to Tiger and his recent win and the fact that he move up some 30 places.
It just goes to show, how idiotic these rankings really are……..Tiger does nothing for 2 years, slips to ONLY 52 when he should have been outside of 100.
Then he wins a “Mickey Mouse” tournament with a mediocore field and all of a sudden, he’s back in the 20′s.
These off season tournaments are only for show, and the companies that sponsor them with MILLIONS of dollars, should put their money into a genuine one with a full field.
Whilst I’m at it……there are 2 other stupid tournaments.
The one where only the major winners play, and also the Sony Open which is really a closed one as it’s only open to those winners from the previous year!
Why should these millionaire golfers get a head start on the rest of the field for the all important points tally for the next year, whilst at the sam etime, pocketing a nice little packet for a win!
It’s the Hyundai T.O.C. HELLO!!! the Sony is an “Open”, get it.
Whoops…….sorry.
Bradley/Steele r the team to beat, no question!!! Two rookies with 3 wins combined including a MAJOR!!! Is there another team in this field even close to those stats??? COME ON MAN….GO KEEGS AND STEELEY!!
Rory Sabbatini and Jhonny Vegas will play well to compete against Bradley and Steele…should be a good little tournment
2012 rookie of the year? i wasn’t aware there was any discussion on this topic yet. probably no point anyway. save time and energy, give it to sang-moon bae now.
This would be a good place for Tiger Woods to get a few Reps in…at least something like the “Shoot-out” would allow him the opportunity to continue working on his new swing. Now!!! who would be willing to be his partner?
I got Tiger Woods and Freddie Couples in my sights for a good pairing in the Shootout.
How many OWGR Points are available for this event?
Completely agree about the OGWR. The whole thing is a joke. How could the top three in any sport have only won one big event? Can you imagine any other individual sport where the top spot is taken by someone who hadn’t won that sport’s equivalent of a “major?” You guys are totally correct, the whole thing is a farce….
I forgot that we should give out positions for sentimentality over merit. That’d be more of a joke.
Hey Sean Smith thanks for clearing this up for me. I have never realized that the field in the Chevron-Keegan Bradley, Matt Kucher, Ricky Fowler, Jim Furyk, Paul Casey, K.J. Choi, Jason Day, Bill Haas, Zack Johnson, Martin Laird, Hunter Mahan, Webb Simpson, Steve Stricker, Bo Van Pelt, Nick Watney, Bubba Watson and Gary Woodland are all just mediocre players. I am sure these guys will be glad to hear this, maybe they can get you a job on the Golf Channel with all the other experts who know what they are talking about. I am just astounded they have missed an idiot like you.
If you’re going by most majors won since 2006 it would be:
1=Woods
1=Harrington
3 Mickelson
4 Cabrera
Because that’s a realistic list of the best players in the world now?
Good Luck to the Rookies, Bradley and Steele, should be fun to watch.Make Santa Claus proud bring home the present.
I agree the the chevron world challenge was a ‘mickey mouse’ event. It is not an event if only 18 players play. At best, it is a collection of several good players.
The chevron world challenge never used to have world ranking points. It seems stupid that an event that small and that is not fully open to all PGA tour members should have world ranking points.
As for tiger, before the chevron world challenge, I would say he should have been about 200 in the world rankings. After the chevron, perhaps 180th. I thought the rankings were based on a 2 year average?!? If that is the case, there is no way he is In the 20s
As for the shootout, it is just a fun event which is fine because there are no world ranking points and the shootout does a lot for charity. I personally think it is a great event.
Great Dave…..why dn’t we just ask an expert, maybe a guy like Nicklaus, who will tell you that Tiger is the best, period….
who trhe heack is Scott Stallings LOLLLLLL
when I look at the players in this event I see a strong field,major winners,Ryder cup players, President Cup players, Future HOF members also winners of The Payne Stewert Award & Charles Bartlett Award. I personaly like the field, I may be wrong but I think every player in the field has won a PGA tour event, and most have won several times.
Great point Greg… I’m actually surprised that McIlroy and McDowell aren’t playing together in this event, as without Kuchar and Woodland, they would have a solid shot to win. I know there’s another tourney in Dubai, but this will probably get more viewers, as Greg is hosting and it’s an American venue….
Tiger’s victory came against a great feild but, the big winner was charity. And, wow, what an interesting golf course.
I have to think that the Stallings/Perry team will do well. Kenny has been a mentor to Scott this year and was a vital part of him being able to win the Greenbriar this year. If it weren’t for Kenny Perry helping Scott Stallings get a sponsor’s invite to the Transitions early in the season, where Scott finished 3rd, he probably wouldn’t have been in the Greenbriar field. Scott has tremendous game. He bombs it, hits his irons like a man on a mission, and putts the ball aggressively. Perfect for this style of event. I think the tandom will be a surprise team at the top of leaderboard come Sunday. Keep an eye out for Scott in 2012. He’s got some serious game and is overlooked by the flashy up and comers. I expect a BIG future from him.
Bubba J…. Do some research. Scott Stallings won The Greenbriar this year. He’s a PGA Tour Rookie this year. Completely overlooked because of some super years from other Rookies this year. The kid has game. He’s quiet and goes about his business. A future multiple winner for sure.
Is that James Becker from Hartford? Hi Jim, Burnsey from Wethfld, now Loveland Colo. saying hello;
@ Andrew – Charl Schwartzel is hardly a “flashy up and comer”. He has been a professional since 2002.
He won 6 times on the European Tour and 5 times on the Sunshine Tour before he won the Masters on the PGA Tour this season.
How can Charl be called a rookie? The US Tour are backward if you ask me if a guy who’s been a pro for 9 years is a Rookie just cause he joins the PGA Tour this year.
@ Bob – Tiger’s win came against a “great” field? Are you kidding me???? The highest ranked player in the field was Steve Stricker at #6. He’s hardly a prolific winner. Then, you got Jason Day who’s #8 and only won 1 time on Tour. Webb Simpson at #9 who just had a “career year”. Then Nick Watney who has less than a handful of wins at #10. Tiger was ranked #52, Gary Woodland at #48, Zach Johnson at #47 and Jim Furyk at #45.
Lee Westwood’s win was in a far stronger field! For starters Luke Donald, Lee Westwood and Martin Kaymer, world’s number 1,3 and 4 respectively played. Adam Scott, world number 7 played. Reigning Masters Champion and world number 13 Charl Schwartzel played. 2010 Us Open Champ Graeme McDowell also played. As did 2011 OPEN Champion Darren Clarke. World number 2 Rory Mcilroy would have played if he wasn’t going for the Euro Tour money list. He had to win Hong Kong Open last week, which he did then win Dubai this week and he’s started off with a 9 birdie round but 3 mistakes for a fine 66 to Luke Donald’s even par 72.
Chevron’s lowest ranked player was #52 in the world. Nedbank’s lowest ranked player was #38. Lee’s was a far stronger field and he successfully defended his title.
And Steve Stricker world number 6 came 16th out of 18 players and Nick Watney world number 10 came dead last. Simpson also came low, world number 9 who wont have another year ever again like this year.
Sean what were the rankings of the players rory beat in hong kong? And if tiger did that to win a money title I think you would’ve called him a greedy bully picking on those mini your players.
Mini tour players
Sean,
I’m not trying to make a comparison between two great feilds. Neither feild was shabby. It is what it is. You are right of course, about the current statistical data but, it would be tough to argue that it was a weak feild.
@James Becker – I believe Tiger is ranked so high because of the 4th place finish at the Masters. OWGR is heavily weighted on majors and strength of field.
To others points here, the OWGR needs a good overall. Many, many inequities in their calculation methods.
Regarding the Shark Shoot-Out…may the old guys rule…Calc and Nick! Two good players on the FL greens…with plenty, of shall we say…ahem….experience!
@ x24 hot – that is besides the point. Mcilroy had to win and anything less would make it mathematically impossible for him to win the Euro money title. Harrington and Yang 2 major winners were there anyway as were many multiple winners on tour. Plus he had to beat 155 players, not 17 ina field the guy who comes last like Nick Watney did gets 140 thousand just for turning up.
Tiger woods moving up 29 spots in the world ranking what a joke eldrick is and the world ranking.
@ x24 hot – He went into Hong Kong knowing he had to win that tournament AND the Dubai World Championship this weekend and Donald to finish otuside the top 12 this week and Mcilroy will win the money list. The fact he had to win and he did it made it more impressive especially how he did it, holing a Bunker shot on the 72nd hole for a 2 stroke victory.
And if Tiger won the Hong Kong Open x24hot I wouldnt have called the others mini tour players. How can you say that when the European Tour is giving better players right now as the rankings prove and 4/5 Ryder Cups. I would have called it a fine win by Woods cause he would have beat 155 players, not 17.
@ paul – I agree with you. How is it right a limited field where they are guaranteed 140 thousand dollars just for turning up receive world ranking points?
I don’t think any tournament with less than 100 players should give ranking points and this goes for the Accenture Match Play event. 64 players. It isnt fair to the other players. Beating over 100 players in any week deserves ranking points.
Really, there wasn’t a cut in hong kong? And you forgot another major winner that was there, John daly!! and in reality only about 15 people had a chance on Sunday. Funny how rankings only count in your argument. Just for the record there were multiple major winners at chevron and most of the players won at least one tour event in 2011. It’s just funny that rankings only matter when you want them to.
Sean Smith.. The Masters traditionally has fields of less than 100 golfers, are you saying there should be no points awarded because of the field size. Your post does state ANY tournament.
We shall see where Tiger Wood’s game really is when he plays in Abu Dhabi for his first tournament in 2012. He is playing this event instead of his usual Torrey Pines start. You can’t say he’s back cause he beats 17 players and the better players if you like in that event finished no where. How quickly people forget Tiger Woods lost his first 3 matches in the Presidents Cup. Just cause he won the winning point. That could have happened to anyone, US had it won anyway. Besides, it was a VERY AVERAGE International side. We shalls ee how the US fares against Europe next year.
@ x24 hot – How can you possibly say Tiger Wood’s win beating 17 players is better than Rory’s win of 155 other players when the people in Chevron are all multi millionaires this season and playing for nothing but a bonus cheque and in Hong Kong the last official full field event on the 2011 European Tour where people are playing for top 15 in the money list to get into the 2012 Majors, top 60 to get into the Season Ending Dubai World Championship (this week), and of course top 115 to retain their European Tour card for the 2012 season.
What I am saying is Tiger and co were playing for nothing and the field in Hong Kong for playing for a job in 2012! No comparison. Chevron they were relaxed Hong Kong the people outside the top 115 were griding it out for a job!!!
oops – were* playing for a job dont know how i did that =]
Can we stop pretending that the Ryder cup means anything. It’s a team event that’s an exhibition in an individual sport. Please it’s for fun and fun to watch but it’s a measuring stick of nothing. Rory beat a bunch of no name players in a nobody field. If he wins this week ok but that’s 3 days away, a long 3 days away. Seany, you are afraid of tiger coming back. I can smell it in your posts.
Its funny how Americans say the American tour is the strongest in the world when you look at the fact that each year the US Tour has more “lesser” players winning tournaments on it than the European Tour does.
@ x24 hot – for a player Americans say is overated Rory Mcilroy sure is palying some mighty good golf right now.
In his last 6 tournaments worldwide his WORST finish is 6th. He’s had 2 wins and 2 seconds in this run. He won 1.25 million pounds in Asia beating American Anthony Kim in a play-off and of course won again last week in Hong Kong not to mention his US Open victory.
Sean – I can say that because no one was there. Look it up who took 4th and 7th place in that tournament. Tell me you have ever heard of either guy. I can’t even spell their names, one is like aphibarnrat! who is that?! I think he was 7th stop pretending that that was a big field please all of the ranked euros(millionaires by the way) we’re doing exactly what tiger was. Playing in a small field for a lot of money and ridiculous points.
@ x24 hot – Tiger Woods missed more cuts than the number of Top 10s he had on the US PGA Tour in 2011 for the first time in his career. He beat a bunch of multi millionaires playing a relaxed game last week. The highest ranked player Stricker finished 16th out of 18 players and Nick Watney came last and picked up a cool 140 grand just for turning up.
Dont get off track Sean I think rory is good I’ve never said overrated. I’m commenting on you bashing the field at chevron compared to the field at hk open. Whenever I start making sense you go off on another tangent to distract from the fact that you don’t make sense. The fact is the field at chevron was smaller but better than hk.
@ x24 hot – I haven’t once said the Hong Kong Open had a stronger field than the Chevron. I said the Nedbank had a stronger field than the Chevron and the fact Mcilroy beat 155 players knowing he had to win the event was more impressive than Woods returning to the winner’s circle in a limtied field. That was all I said I’m not saying Chevron was a weak field, just not as strong as the field Westwood won in.
Sean do you really want to talk about tiger missing cuts? I’m pretty sure he has missed fewer cuts than any man currently in the world of professional golf. There are guys who missed more cuts this year than he has in his career. I’m pretty sure there is a major winner or two that missed more than 8 cuts just in this year. So are we done with that tangent.
@ x24 hot – the reason you may not have known a name is it was a Euro Tour/Asia Tour co-sanctioned event. Aphibarnrat played alongside Thongchai Jaidee in the recent World Cup. He is one of the best players on the Asian tour right now. Why was such a big deal made about Woods coming 3rd in Australia when that was an Australia/Asia tour event which is obviously weaker than a Euro/Asia tour event.
~ x24 hot – The Ryder Cup means nothing? Take a look at the players on the teams and tell me it means nothing to them. The Ryder Cup has like 80 years of history. The old rivarly of USA vs Europe, everyone wants to beat the Americans in any sport as we well know.
If it meant nothing why are Americans crying over the fact Europe have beat the US in 4 of the last 5 Ryder Cups???
The Presidents Cup is quite clearly a minor event compared to the Ryder Cup, it’s America’s “little baby” so why was a big deal made about Woods getting the winning point?
Note; Tiger Woods did not play in the 2008 team the only win the US has had in the last 5. Woods was on the other 4 and US lost all 4. You sure you NEED him???
Lets also stop the myth of full fields. When they cut half of those guys are gone so in reality in every tournament the winner only really beats around 20 guys. that’s just the way it works. I don’t know who was last on Friday of any tournament of any year, but do you really think any winner would qualify their win based on that guy being in the field? You really are playing 60 to 70 guys and of those 2/3 do not have a chance.
Hey x24 hot – wasnt Gregory Havret who Mcilroy beat a Runner Up in the 2012 US Open with McDowell winning? Didn’t Havret beat Tiger that time? Wasn’t Peter Hanson a player with a handful of Euro Tour wins on the Winning Ryder Cup team of 2010??? I know, I was there in Wales watching it Live, great event.
oops sorry ***2010*** US Open dont know how i made that error =/
@ x24 hot – you are only really playing against 20 guys? Why did Rory Mcilroy on the Cut Line at Quail Hollow one of the US Tours toughest courses last season and he shot an unbelievable final round of 62 to win? Wasn’t Mcilroy around 70th place depending on how many people made the cut?
Any full field event of course you are beating all 155 other players. It doesn’t matter who comes last. Each week every single player turns up for the win.
@ x24 hot – good argument x24 hot! I dont like Woods as a person but respect his accomplishments. Mcilroy is the future of golf. 22 years old 5 pro wins plus a ryder cup win and the 1.25 million event in asia this year unnoffical event. 6 wins altogether including a major. Mcilroy is the next World Number 1. He has a great game for America with his high ball flight and long hitting..
I honestly believe if Mcilroy was American you all would respect how good he really is. Just cause he’s non-american, like Donald almost getting screwed out of POY…cause he isnt american he isnt rated so highly.
Mcilroy is a future 6 time at least major champ and 40 time winner i promise you i watch him live hes here to stay just needs to learn how to Putt better and he is complete.
Ive got an idea. Lets just do world rankings by where we think players should be (james becker). By watching golf on TV and reading about it here and in the paper, we should just decide where players are ranked. Tool.
Look at Tigers record the past 2 years. T4 in Masters the last 2 years. T4 in US open in 2010. Good finishes in playoff tourneys in 2010. T6 in WGC event in 2010 and now winning Chevron. Now compare that record with golfers ranked 180-200.
He was one of the twenty Sean. Someone from the twenty shot over par for rory to get in. And every player tees it up to win in every event. You are silly to think otherwise. And not only does tiger not need to be on the team but we could use college players for all I care it’s an individual sport. They do team exhibitions. And that’s all they are. I’ve said before I concede all future Ryder cups to Europe. Let’s see how it hurts anyone. We will see in 2012 how many players matter in the full field.
X24, Full fields offer more opportunities to score well against the course, it’s a numbers thing. The cut gives us the best obviously, then those 70 guys have a crack at doing well on the weekend. Look at the Chevron scores, half those guys would have missed the cut in a full field event. That’s why we see winners coming from all over the rankings every week.
Harv, you have pointed out something that i had overlooked regarding the masters. 99 players teed off this year. when you take out the oldies like mize, crenshaw, lyle, woosnam etc etc you are left with a competitive field of no more than 75. therefore, although it is my favourite major, it should not have the same points as the other 3 majors. the players champ gets 80 owgr points, the masters should be same. furthermore, there should be no points allocated to the winners of chevron and nedbank. all unofficial events should carry zero points. tiger got 44, westwood 38. happy holidays fields of 18 and 12. what a joke.
Regardless of who won what at which event, two truths come out of the discussion Sean and X24 hot have had.
First, McIlroy is the real deal. His loss at Augusta was a turning point in the young man’s career. And he learned volumes from it. In that loss, he bacame a winner. If that makes sense.
Second, Tiger is back. How can you tell? There is no look of dismay on his face when he hits an errant shot. Before his Aussie appearances, when he hit a bad shot there was this clueless look of dismay. That is gone. The few bad shots he has hit recently get a resolute stare.
X24 hot.. You just can’t accept Rory McIlroy is the future of the game.. You are a person that is stuck in the past that feeds of Tiger Woods’ career and the PGA Tour to justify any point you make, it’s very unfair. You are a Glorified GLORY HUNTER.. just like Gail and a lot of your fellow people.
Geez Shaun…it’s as though you’re going crazy, posting the same thing on every site, trying to provoke those that are only trying to have a legitimate conversation. Please, get out of there, NOW!!
Son of Octopus….you are on the right track concerning OGWR points and majors. Everyone knows that The Players has the best field in all of golf, and there has been a big push for a 5th major. My recommendation would be to have 4 majors, The Masters, The Players, The US Open, and The PGA, and have the British Open have the same notoriety as the Irish Open, Scottish Open, Spanish, Australian, etc… If there was any issue with the field, they could pay the American players appearance money, which many have done already, to ensure that they would get legitimate coverage. I’m in favor as well of eliminating those events that make no sense, but I also think we should look at what are really the most important events in golf…
gail is accusing someone of trying to provoke!!!!! now that is the pot calling the kettle black. oh, gail, you couldn’t imagine an individual sport where the top spot was held by someone who hadn’t won a major? try tennis. caroline wozniacki…. and she’s the girlfriend of rory you-know-who!!!!!!!!
Gail.. Shut your big fat gob Gail.. You post verbal diarreah on here EVERY DAY!.. You’re the one that should GET OUT and GET! a life!
Gail.. Your a Glorified GLORY HUNTER! FACT!!
Gail.. You can give out a lot of TRASH but you can’t take it. FACT!.. It’s funny to see you on the defensive.
Sean Smith: You have serious issues. Get a life.
gail, why provoke? let’s leave the open championship as a major. give the brits a break. they don’t want to see guys like kenny perry on their shores. they understand that he would rather watch reruns of the duke of hazard, mighty important to that good ole boy petrolhead kenny.
jumpin catfish!!!! I THINK GAIL PROVOKED SHAUN.
Son of Octopus…tried to reply but got the “awaiting moderation.” My comment had to do with knowing you’re an Aussie if you’re really his son, and complementing you on the course at Royal Melbourne. Great, great track….maybe better than Augusta…
@ Sean Smith… In not one of my posts did I say Charl was a flashy up and comer. You freaking moron. I said some of the rookies, not all. I was referring to the Vegas’s of the rookie ranks. Don’t be a wank and read between the lines. You’re like a woman when it comes to that sort of thing. Do something else with your time.
Son of Octopus.. She is thinking of some trash talk for a comeback.
Shaun…you’re becoming more and more irrational and it’s scaring me. Please call Hao and get some reasoning. You’re out of control…
And just because he’s a rookie on the PGA Tour doesn’t make him a playing rookie. His first year on the “BIG TOUR” is his rookie year. That’s the definition of rookie, your first year. Bonehead
Gail.. you have just proved my point perfectly. Well DONE! Don’t provoke us Brits or you will get a bucketload of abuse back.. You have a thing or two, to learn but It might be a bit late for that.
Yes Gail, let’s do that. Forget THE OPEN, it’s nothing more than a very old tournament anyway, right? I mean who cares about a tourney that’s over 150 years old, that’s so 1800s.
Replace it with The Players, but let’s not stop there, let’s make the Tour Championship by CocaCola the 5th Major. I mean, a $10M bonus trumps any other purse, and golf is all about money, not quality.
And since you are using your Revolutionary hat right now, let’s abolish the R&A, the fact that the rest of the world adheres to it’s rules and regulations should not matter after
And since you are using your Revolutionary hat right now, let’s abholish the R&A, the fact that the rest of the world adheres to it’s rules and regulations should not matter after all.
Eddy – what? You play the same number of holes. Full field doesn’t mean a thing you still have to play well. And Shaun read the conversation before you pipe in. He was comparing fields at hk open and chevron and nedbank. The fact is rory beat a bunch of hacks in hong kong whether you like it or not. Tiger beat more major winners,more 2011 tour winners at chevron than riry did in hk. And choking at a major and then winning one isn’t some incredible feat that no one has done just ask Phil who has done it more than anyone. So don’t crown him yet because he really has only won maybe 3 meaningful tournaments.
C’mon Oh…that’s not what I’m saying at all, as I have the utmost respect for the tournament. My questions are legitimate, as the Players has one of, if not the best field of any tournament, and why should the British be more important than the Scottish, or Irish, or Spanish, etc…? I’m actually a traditionalist, and I think your courses are terrific, and much better overall than those in the US. My concern is the field and the players in the field, as I’m sure you would agree that without a substantial amount of American players, it’s more of a member-guest at the local club than an actual professional event….
X24, I get ya, what I’m saying is that when 70 guys have a go at the track, more than a few of them “show up” that week, so there are more guys to beat. The L/B in a regular event has a pile of guys on each stroke score, not just one guy on a particular number, like these limited field things. The scores of those guys at Chevron wouldn’t have been any different, but they all would have had company on their respective number.
X24.. Who cares about fields, 3 GREAT players one on the same weekend.. accept it and move on.
WON.
o/k rory supporters there is no way your man should lose this one, within two of the lead behind non finishers; 1 in front off the been around forever non major winner garcia; 3 in front of schwartzel; 5 in front of Mcdowell; 6 in front of donald;7 in front of westy kaymer. you should not be afraid of garcia tiger handled him quite easy when both at there peak,should be a stroll in the park for next multi major rory.the form says put the house on.i put my money on the never to win again t/w after he was trailimg a proven winner & tough as nails choi by 3 and level with the worlds best putter stricker. iam watching the markets closely for the odds to reduce. time to show me you really believe. cheers
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Tournament Winner – 2011 – WINNER
MCILROY, Rory 3.50
GARCIA, Sergio 5.50
HANSON, Peter 5.50
QUIROS, Alvaro 19.00
SCHWARTZEL, Charl 19.00
LAWRIE, Paul 26.00
DONALD, Luke 29.00
FISHER, Ross 29.00
WESTWOOD, Lee 29.00
KAYMER, Martin 34.00
MCDOWELL, Graeme 34.00
NOREN, Alexander 41.00
AIKEN, Thomas 51.00
CASEY, Paul 51.00
OOSTHUIZEN, Louis 51.00
FDEZ-CASTANO, Gonzalo
Sean, is Rory your girlfriend. You are wearing blinders and only want to see it one way. X24 and a lot of others have valid opinions also. Yes Rory is one of the best 5 players in the world and almost everyone here agrees on that. But you are looking for every reason possible to say that Tiger is not worthy of the top 200! Do your homework dude. In the last two years Rory has won twice out of 49 tournaments played. Tiger has won once in his 27 tournaments played. Rory has more top 10′s than Tiger(22 more tournaments played)but you act like Tiger doesn’t have any(see that last two Masters and last years US open). As for OWGR points, points are awarded based on the strength of the field. Minimum 24 pts and Tiger received 44 because of the strength of the field. Rory received 38 because of the strength of that field in Hong Kong. Let the computer do it’s job.
My comments were meant for Shaun not Sean.
Good call Lee…Like they say…love is blind….
Lee.. Not hard to tell where your from.. McIlroy has accually won 4 times WORLDWIDE in the last 2 years and 1 was a MAJOR.. Oh and he’s only 22, get your FACTS right before posting on here because otherwise you look like a fool.
It’s a pity Rory is already taken.. I’m pretty sure Tiger is still single after his divorce.. go and ask him out Lee.
Gail.. You have always got to stick your 2 penny worth in.
Shaun you are the only one arguing that point. Again you guys start with one argument, then when you lose track of your point you switch to something else. You win Shaun. But in April I don’t want any excuses for why it ends the way it does.
X24 hot.. you seem to be very confident of the outcome in April?.. don’t get to ahead of yourself.
Field is:
- top 3 available from current year money list
- top 10 available career money list
- defending champs
- whoever else Norman wants to fill out the field
John – Regarding McCarron… he has won this event 3 times so obviously gets consideration for that. Plus he and Norman are close friends. If Greg wants to play with his buddy, more power to him. I hope they win.
MCILROY, Rory vs GARCIA, Sergio – Two Ball Rd 2
MCILROY, Rory 1.85
Tie 9.00
GARCIA, Sergio 2.35
Shaun,
The OWGR only recognizes 3 wins for Rory the last two years and only 2 wins in the last 40 tournaments played. so if you are going to give him credit for the unofficial 4th win with a very weak field, then you are contradicting yourself. As i said before, we all agree that Rory is very good. But you don’t have to act like you are his proud mother(or girlfriend). Just give credit where credit is do. Tiger has only played 27 tournaments the last 24 months due to injury. Let’s see how they do next year both playng the same amount of tournaments.
Shaun I’m confident based on history. How do you know rory will continue to get better and that tiger won’t? You logic is off. Tiger knows everything rory has to learn. Do you really think he won’t be a force in 2012?
Lee.. Have you read any of my posts since Tiger’s victory? If not please do so. Rory McIlroy is one of my faviourate Golfers, you may have detected that from most of my comments. Myself and most other Europeans feel McIlroy is being unfairly criticised by a lot of people on here when he doesn’t deserve it, Rory is already a Major Champion at the age of 22 and has won 4 other events worldwide.. Most people in Europe believe with time he will become a GREAT. A 22 year old with so much natural talent, who in many peoples opinion is the best young player since Woods and yet people continue to write him off.. It’s almost laughable. Trust me Rory McIlroy is the FUTURE! Goodnight.
Lee — Its hard to compare Tiger with anyone on Top of the OWGR rankings at the present time. During the Three Wins that Rory McIIroy was given credit for during the past two years, he received 200 points, for the Wins and approx 400 points over-all which is why he is listed at #2 at the present time.
Tiger in the meantime has One Win according to the OWGR rankings, albeit his own Chevron event, which he placed 2nd in 2010 and 1st this year for a total of 74 points, which is half of his two years total points.
I wonder where Tiger would be if the Chevron event was not his special event and he had to play in a regular Tournament like the Big guys?
X24 hot.. McIlroy can only get better with time and Woods will regain some of his old form. I think both Tiger and Rory will be a force next year. Goodnight
joe if you deduct the points he got from winning the chevron this will give you the answer!!!! lol
Joe — Wonder no more where Tiger would be without his Chevron points the past two years. He would be listed as #81 with a score of 1.89 between Brendan Jones, 1.91 and Tim Clark,1.86
I wonder if Rory and Tiger will be talking about rankings points on Sunday afternoon at Augusta. Probably.
007.
He would be at #64, you only get full points for the first 13 weeks, after that a portion of those points is deducted. That’s why you only deduct 16.96 for the 2010 Chevron.
5 8 9 10 11 15 18 19 20 25 27 28 29 33 45 50 thats tigers opposition in the chevron.26 42 49 thats Mcilroys opposition in hong kong open.i tend to agree why would rory get any points for beating that lot.
my final word (i hope) about the 44 world ranking points “won” by tiger at the chevron. in a field of 18 players, there were 3 major winners plus tiger. included were some fine players who had not won a major (choi, stricker etc). greg chalmers won the australian open and collected 42 points. in a field of 156 players there were 4 major winners plus tiger woods. also in the australian open were kuchar, haas, d. johnson, watney, bubba, mahan, scott, allenby, appleby, baddeley, senden and day. now the australian open might not seem to mean much to some of you out there, but, as some superstars found out, it wasn’t just a walk in the park (unlike the chevron where bradley and watney picked up 100 grand for 10 and 11 over par). winning the australian open means something, winning chevron or nedbank means nothing. give tiger (and westwood for nedbank) the money but do not give points for exhibition matches, regardless of the so called “strength of the field”. most of the chevron and nedbank players had played their seasons and were on holidays.
yeh i hope to ocky junior, you sound as silly as your old man.
hi hao, my dad says that you are a wanker, but very good at tipping winners AFTER the event.
December 2nd, 2011 11:00 am
shaun put the money on.
November 2nd, 2011 6:21 pm
very interested to see hao rory goes this week,i think with the other half watching it might be too much pressure for him to handle. it would also be good to see the old man sweep away the two broomheads. good luck westy.
dad was right, hao is a wanker.
November 7th, 2011 4:35 am
look at the date above meathead listed under groups to watch,I LL take westy vs your world 2nd best kaymer in the nedbank.put the money where the mouth is.
all comments remain on here you goose, even all the sh*t you dribble,which iam sure you are going to view going forward.
wow hao, you picked westy to beat kaymer. that’s impressive, i’m absolutely in awe of you. but i think we need something a little more than that to convince a rational person that you are a wizard when it comes to golf betting. we’ll put you to the test in 2012 PRIOR to the commencement of play. enjoy your yum cha, emptyhead.
December 3rd, 2011 8:52 pm
November 27th, 2011 5:26 am
us masters 2012…. i select casey, simpson and mickelson. anybody else care to put their reputation on the line?
December 3rd, 2011 9:29 pm
kaymer has been undergoing swing changes. he struggled early in 2011 but he looks like he is on way back. tiger did look better in melbourne but i think he needs to produce over 4 rounds. he cannot dominate as before but a major or two is not going to shock me. choi is tough but his major chances might have slipped away. day surely is the next big thing from down under, his potential is unlimited. there will be a new wave of koreans coming, k-t kim and bae look best. of the usa boys, i like the non-robotic talents of watson and even fowler. ishikawa could be ready to take next step. unsure whether donald can win a major but expect rory to win another few majors. and if only dustin johnson could putt?????
PREDICTION 1. my dad says that martin kaymer will regain his number one ranking in 2012. PREDICTION 2. i say that sang-moon bae will be rookie of year in 2012. these opinions, and they are only opinions, are dated december 2011. PREDICTION 3. hao will make all his 2012 predictions at the end of 2012, further enhancing his genius status. hey hao, megalomania may not be the first sign of madness, but it is a sign.
December 3rd, 2011 7:41 pm
gail, yes, tiger is hitting the ball better than he has in the last year or so. i think he will win again in 2012, with the masters his best shot at a major. however, i think that he is a long way from what he once was (the best ever, with jack). tiger 3 over on the par fives today, there’s an indication of where he’s at. in the next few years he will contend often, but there is a greater pool of talent nowadays. winning is not easy. regarding winning this week, a lot of guys in the chevron are looking for a break, i do not rate results here that highly. webb simpson, bubba, kuchar etc should be recharging their batteries for 2012. only tiger and casey need the practice. regardless, it will be good for golf in 2012 to have tiger competing again, he still has the support of most fans and creates interest.
hao, buddy, mate…. you need to get a job. but thanks for accurately reposting that stuff. only time will tell. once again, enjoy the yum cha. little wonder my dad stopped posting, he seems happy in his garden, in the shade. over and out.
December 3rd, 2011 11:41 pm
ocky you have to do your own,but you wont survive as you. have to many picks
December 3rd, 2011 10:04 pm
if tiger fails last round,the tigerites should watch what they post on this website. this is comming from someone who predicts tiger to be in contention often the next few years & plus a few majors wouldn’t shock,if tiger wins tomorrow its because the others are tired,its not because he’s been out injured or hasn’t played much.check the price offyour champs,fowler watson casey kutcher,i was going to put some money on them *but there too tired* you are that clever gail put sarcastic comment and who takes the bait{re;casey laird}good DR OCKY.
November 9th, 2011 7:15 am
so what makes you think the swing changes are fixed & trustworthy now, 11 holes of brilliant golf,bradley shot -6 or thereabouts for 1st 9 holes at grand slam, swartzel done similar 2nd round.alot of golfers can shoot low when greens are soft.there were a lot of low scores shot here during the 4 days.anyway ill be watching closley at the reformed martin during the next few months.jason & jonathon you are both gooses.
kaymer has been undergoing swing changes. he struggled early in 2011 but he looks like he is on way back.
And I thought the comment boards on this site were safe from off topic ranting. These guys just babble on as if what they say makes a difference. If you really want to rant, go to the Yahoo Golf site, plenty of ranters there.
On topic: I think the Simpson/Kim pairing will do well. Simpson has been strong, and Kim is improving. Another pairing to watch for is Fowler/Villegas. Fowler is always a threat, and Villegas played pretty well during the FedEx Cup playoffs.
Enjoyed the Chevron Golf,it was great to see
tiger play and win. Also 12M was raised for
tiger’s Foundations including the money he Won. Also he does not make the rule’s regarding point so live withis he is now at #21
Rory coming second late in second rd in Dubai. Looks like yet another top 5 finish against a high quality field. I suggest whoever criticises the owgr to spend 10 minutes reading the website and gaining an understanding of the points system then they will appreciate its credibility. On the Shootout, McCarron has played in it as long as I remember. Whoever stated they believe Rory & McDowell should be in the Shootout has obviously no concept of the signficance of the R2D.
Sam- in what way is fowler a threat? A threat to blind you maybe but as far as winning he hasn’t really threatened anything yet. I would rather you rant about some tangent than stay on topic and make no sense.
This blog is very entertaining, alot of you have valid points, some of you are way off. I am not a fan of Tiger, but how could you not think he will not soon be atop the world ranking agains.
As for the Shark Shoot-Out, the field is weak. Webb and Bradley are good players, but I want to see more from them, the PGA Tour has had many guys who have had this type of season and know they are trunk slammers.
@Sean Smith How are you doing today? You had to eat a little crow after the Chevron. I believe you stated TW would finish 16th out of 18. I would agree world ranking points should not be given for such an event.
I completely agree with Sean Smith. There is no way Tiger should have got World Ranking points for the Chevron but I guess if you create an event and put the word ‘World’ in the title then you get the ‘World’ points. I think everyone is getting way to carried away with Tiger’s win. Let’s see how he goes in a full field event before we get too excited. Bring on the real PGA events in 2012.
Best player in this field: BVP. Period.
I’m not sure how competitive this is supposed to be, but It will be golf to watch. As far as the rich getting richer, isn’t that the way the tour is?? It’s pretty much a closed shop no matter how you look at it, especially the champions tour. I’ll be watching because golf is all I do.
Hey Sean/Shaun…you two guys are such great golf analysts that should have your own TV show..
no matter how good a field you put together these days you can add up all the majors won by the top 50 players in the world and naver make up the magic number of 14 held by some TW guy..so what difference does it make ?
@Sean&others bashing WOGR; Hong Kong had 6 top50 and 13 top100 on the field, beeing J.Rose the lowest (16 and MC) and Poulter (25) the 2nd lowest. NedBank had 12 Top50 and (3 top5!) and Chevron had 17 top50 (5 top11!). So there it is what Rory, Lee and Tiger had to beat, to put things in perspective. OWGR is a litle based on the chess ELO system, which determines the points you get based on the strenght of the field. You don’t need to seach to find out wich field is stronger: just have to check the ranking points available. In chess, when you beat a plyer below you, you almost don’t get any points. Rory got 38 for beating Rose (16th) Poulter (25th) and 10 more top100s (all placed below him); Lee got 38 for beating 11 top50, including 2 top5 (#1 and #4), so only 1 player placed above him. Tiger got 44 for beating 17 top50s (all above him, including 5 in the top 11). So, the system seems to work fairly. Tennis is criticized for not lowering the weight of old events, like golf. Noone criticized the Chevron last year when G-Mac won. The rankings have never been an issue unless in the periods when Tiger is strugling. People easily forget about the total events and total finishes in the 2 year period with the last weighting more. Tiger has only 27 events, due mainly to injury, so his added points divid only for 40. He will get to number one, on the present situation, with only 260 points more. That can be achieved with an average tour event, an WGC event and a major (theoreticaly, he could get no #1 again by early March or April). So, it is just a matter of winning. If he does,the rankings will reflect that. Kaymer, Rory, Donald, Lee have a hard time getting there because they don’t win that many times. VJ won about 9 times in 2004 and he strugled to get no #1 because Tiger had a huge advantage, which he secured for a long time with a few top 10s and 5 wins in 2003. In the present, #1 is for grabs. Nobody takes control because they only get top 10 and not more than 2 or 3 wins. Who ever wins 3 in a row will take it. Just to finish, Chevron and Nedbank have elegibility criteria. They’re played the same week and there’s yet an Eurotour event. So most players have a chance to play. Euro tour schedule is longer than UStour. But every event has OWGR points, and that’s fair. So no problem with giving points to these events if players know how to get there. Limited field events, like The Masters, The WGC_Matchplay and even the other majors have alternate events the same week. Points are given in relation to the respective strenght of field. And Whoever thinks this or that player should be 1000th in the world, or 100th or 50th, just have to check the OWGR website and check the player’s tournament list and finishes, to put that idea aside (compare player to players in those positions). All systems are bad, as they all are good. Golf’s is one of the best and fairest. And I bet next year nobody will be questioning the points given to Nedbank and Chevron… Again… You gues why…
and yes Geoff…I do want to see that TW against a full field…he’s not going to get away with it so easily…who the heck he thinks he is? he must make some kind of statement sooner or later…
I still don’t understand why you guys are complaining about the size of the field. And that you only complain about it at the chevron and not the nedbank which is smaller. The simple fact is, when tiger is healthy and hitting it well it, like now, he can and will beat anyone you put in the field. He has averaged about one major a year so far and he has 16 chances to win 5 before turning 40. And who says 40 means anything he might win 4-5 more in his 40′s. Either way I like those odds based on his history.
ournament Winner – 2011 – WINNER
QUIROS, Alvaro 2.40
MCILROY, Rory 4.25
HANSON, Peter 9.00
CASEY, Paul 13.00
DONALD, Luke 23.00
OOSTHUIZEN, Louis 23.00
GARCIA, Sergio 26.00
ROCK, Robert 29.00
MOLINARI, Francesco 34.00
SCHWARTZEL, Charl 34.00
WESTWOOD, Lee 41.00
LAWRIE, Paul 51.00
LOWRY, Shane
John S.
Your calculation about Tiger getting back to #1 as early March. Is that asuming the rest of the players above him still get their average points?
@X24, I believe the “silly season” is a self defeating concept, especially nowadays when the elite trend players are all cherry picking events and “peaking” for the big ones. I think the Tours need to make better use of the available weeks to stage full tournaments. I believe the markets are ready for it.
Hey guys,First I want to say I am not A Tiger fan! but You cant compare twenty year old golfers to him, its just unfair to them. Its like comparing apples to oranges. The joung guns have a lot to prove before any comparison to players like Jack or Tiger. The young Guys need to win 40 or so tournaments including 8 or 10 Majors before the discussion even starts. Rory has great skills but thats what they said about many other new young players. It would suit me fine if he is the next great player,he seems like a fine young man.
Eddy- what! Are you crazy?! Just kidding, I agree I don’t see why they have to have an end to the season so to speak. I mean some guys play 20 times, tiger, and that’s it. I think for the money they make they could play more. They really get a lot of time off.
X24, the most successful guys play less tournaments than the rest of the Pros because they have to spend a lot of time attending Sponsor’s events.
Donald is actually an anomaly playing as much as he’s done this year. Probably that’s the reason you don’t see a guy winning both tournament’s money list.
The guys who play the most are the ones who are struggling to get their cards for next year.
I guess it’s time to start wondering how long it’ll be before Quiros is the best European player. Rory gags again at the end, but did anyone see McDowell’s shot on #18 today? Did he really hit it where the cameras were showing? Not possible that he’s a professional, as that could be the worst shot I’ve ever witnessed in any tournament. Amazing…
Yeah I know that Jim but what constitutes playing a lot? 25 tournaments? 30? That means atleast 22 weeks off. Hmmmmm divided by 4 that means 5 1/2 months off for a game. Are you really going to argue that they are overworked?
john s. tiger will be back to somewhere near his right position in world golf, therefore all the experts who predicted he is finished wont be attempting to recover some dignity by blaming W.G.R. points system for his return rather then his ability. if t/w wasn’t apart off this ,none of these disscusions would be taking place. well said JOHN S.
gail you are a genious, just like the master fisherman. cheers.
I had to check John’s estimations.
If TW wins 260 points by early March, that would put him at around 9.56points, which would put him at #1…
…IF from now until March 5.
* Tiger played the usual 4 tournaments before March, and wins all 4.
* Those four tournaments awarded more points than in 2011, otherwise, he would only get 248 points, just 12 short of 260.
* And Luke won less than 40 points during this period.
Now, John is putting out a good point. Mathematically #21 has a good chance of reclaiming the top of the rankings.
I sad some weeks ago that Tiger wood need at least 300, and that such a number was really dificult to attain in one year, but Luke has won over 500 in 2011. The thing is that Luke plays over 25 times per year.
Brian – not sure where you are from but you make no sense.
Gail- do you play golf? I’ve seen your remarks on all these topics and I can’t believe you would single out one shot from anyone. Tiger hit a pretty good one at the chevron that went about 20 yards. The point is, and it makes golf great, everyone hits bad shots. I have a feeling that you might have even hit a bad shot if you have played. The difference is their ability to recover. I’m at a loss you post was just stupid.
jim stats you better check again ,ITS NOT POSSIBLE you could be wrong.
X24.
I get your point.
I would love to have such schedule. But the reality is that these guys PLAY around 20 tournaments, but they really WORK almost every day.
But hey, I’m not saying they are overworked in the same way most of us are. If I played Golf for a living I would be in heaven already.
Jim- that’s what I’m saying. It’s a gift and I know they do charity but it’s not real work. They are all very lucky and really could play more. But if it was me and I could work 17 weeks a year and make $90 million. I would have a hard time getting motivated to work more. I don’t blame them. I just love to watch it.
Jim there is no heaven , it’s a fairytale
professional golf is not real work,that could be one of the all time best.
OK, My other post is being moderated, so hopefully this one will make it.
Brian/John.
I have this “bet” with HAO (he will deny it though), that #21 won’t be #1 in 2012. It’s all in good fun.
I will start keeping track of who’s with me and who’s on #21′s side. I’ll put you on #21′s side.
He can get back to #1 Mathematically, so you guys have a good chance, but there are other players that will challenge him in 2012, and it’s because of that that I think 2013 is looking better for him right now.
Jim Stats, i’m with you. no number one for tiger in 2012.
Bradley/Steele tied for lead at Shootout! Where’s all my pals??? Show some love!!!! Ya baby!!!
Brads- first of all you have no pals. And second they are beating who??!! Wow are they tied with two seniors. Well played.
Brads- so is your point that 2 guys that are 50 plus can compete with Bradley and Steele so there’s no way tiger can? That bradley and Steele tied in the first round with guys who are almost senior citizens but that bradley would’ve been competitive in the presidents cup? I’m just trying to understand your love of Bradley. Is it because he beat you abusive grandpa?
X24…You put the B in buffoon…go play some lawn darts behind the double wide you live in with your parents…you poor bastid!!!
GO KEEGS!!!!
@Brads, don’t jinx your boy, he’s fragile, let him play a little. His fingers are numb from all that knitting.
ecember 6th, 2011 8:47 pm
@gail, well done, you almost made a valid point about McIlroy.
But it’s more putting than chipping, the guy is a good chipper? Did you see the hole out from the bunker at the weekend. He has an imagination around the greens but just needs to convert more chances(20 footers) and eliminate the errors(shouldn’t miss the short ones) and he’ll be the best.
He hits the greens and hits it quite close fairly often so I don’t know if what aaron smith is saying is true. It’s an interesting theory but McIlroy’s swing is better than Woods’ at that age. He hit 63 greens out of 72 at the US Open this year. The Masters he hit almost every green for the first few days and hit them close. These are on fast greens aswell at Augusta. Not easy to do.
His long game is top-notch, to change such a beautiful swing would be a travesty. It’s one of those ideas that works well when it’s written down but can mess up your entire career. Not worth the risk whenever it’s his short game that lets him down anyway more often than not.
December 7th, 2011 6:36 pm
@hao. McIlroy creates more chances than basically any other golfer on form, Westwood and Garcia come close. He can still shoot -4 from missing more than half of these chances. Tiger on form could get a -6 from the same amount of chances. If McIlroy was more clinical then no-one could really match him.
December 8th, 2011 8:19 am
Rory 66 in Dubai, Donald only 72. Race is
December 8th, 2011 8:20 am
Hopefully if McIlroy actually goes on and wins this then people might shut up for a while. Major, two wins and the money list for his tour at 22 and people might actually have to eat their humble pie and just accept that he’s here to stay.
McIlroy IS Garcia…Sergio was the next big thing, the next Tiger, but couldn’t putt. No one hit it better than Garcia, and he was a super driver of the ball. Sound like anyone we know? If you can’t make putts under pressure, you can’t win big events. Sergio couldn’t do it, Rory can’t do it, and they’ll both most likely end up with very similar careers. The major difference would be in charisma, as Sergio is someone that everyone roots for, a guy who has that “it” quality. Rory looks like someone’s puppy that no one wanted….
…Sergio was the next big thing, the next Tiger, but couldn’t putt. No one hit it better than Garcia, and he was a super driver of the ball. Sound like anyone we know? If you can’t make putts under pressure, you can’t win big events. Sergio couldn’t do it, Rory can’t do it, and they’ll both most likely end up with very similar careers. The major difference would be in charisma, as Sergio is someone that everyone roots for, a guy who has that “it” quality. Rory looks like someone’s puppy that no one wanted….
IAM A STATS NERD ON A LEVEL YOU CAN’T EVEN IMAGINE,{to me stats mean jack sh*t}he can’t win as consistently as tiger on all types of courses,he can collect several? majors when conditions suit, masters alone could give him multiple? wins{based on what, his previous play}?but only when he strikes the ball good, and when its not windy he could have a chance every 5 years at st andrews, there will be many more u/s opens & pga majors played in benign conditions. i dont think that takes away from his wins.you could say the same about some off tigers majors as well.the guy cant hit a cut, doesen’t like windy conditions, we know he gets a little tight in the throat.your surprised people have written him off from winning in firm conditions.
December 7th, 2011 1:20 am
some great work when you break it down by three paragraphs GTP,are you recomending him for a super star status or are you saying he is only ordinary,remind me not to get you to do a resumae for me. this could be the biggest load of **** ive ever read on here.{stick to the stats}.
December 7th, 2011 9:57 am
Hao…did you see the World Cup? McDowell was making everything and Rory missed 2-3 3 footers. His short game is not anywhere near an elite player and when the going gets tough (like #18 at the Ryder Cup where he left it in the bunker) he gets even worse. I see Donald thinks he’s more talented than Tiger, but like you said about Scott, talent is overrated. Show me the W’s….
GAIL the bookies out here are not happy with you,apparently no clients want to put their money on Mcilroy.its got that bad there advertising if you put $10 on him they give you $20 back {but still no takers}.everyone wants to back tiger even though he’s not in the event.its crazy, a little similar to this site here all his supporters are gone.
Why is Bradley playing so well this week? I thought he was tired and these events don’t matter, and he wasn’t really trying. Brads you put the hippo in hypocrite!!
x24 thats ockys theory!!!! who is leading anyway? having trouble getting thru!!!GO STEELE~~~.
The question is, who is watching? Not me!!
BRADS only 1 stroke lead; bit concerned about steele he got a little tight in the p.g.a.; but in saying that this should be their most suitable format.good luck.
Tournament Winner – 2011 – WINNER
QUIROS, Alvaro 2.30
DONALD, Luke 6.50
OOSTHUIZEN, Louis 6.50
LAWRIE, Paul 10.00
HANSON, Peter 21.00
MCILROY, Rory 23.00
KAYMER, Martin 29.00
MOLINARI, Francesco 29.00
CASEY, Paul 34.00
GARCIA, Sergio 34.00
LOWRY, Shane 41.00
SCHWARTZEL, Charl 41.00
ROCK, Robert
December 9th, 2011 9:40 pm
The Luke vs Rory battles will highlight the 2012 season. I am wondering who the Top American Golfers will be?
Luke Donald comment ——Quote “Well, it was certainly a lot of pressure out there,” Donald said. “It’s just that I’ve got to handle it. I’m making a little bit too many unforced errors and I need to play the weekend like Luke Donald knows how to play.” Unquote.
The pressure should be on Rory as he tries to catch Luke and prevent the Twin Tour Wins by the Englishman.
Big Headline in the British Papers — Northern Irelandman prevents Englishman from making Golf History?
@jim nl, The Twin Money thing is in the bag, even if Rory shoots a “Quail Hollow” Luke is not going to finish outside of 9th.
Thanks HAO…. By the way where is a good site to play a wager on these Lads…Any thoughts?
ps. X24…The TV ratings don’t want YOU to watch…you don’t fit the target demographics: successful individuals with disposable income who play golf…
Ouch brads- funny, that’s what I was doing instead of watching. Successfully disposing of some of my disposable income playing golf. For the 3rd time this week. I know you want to be in my demographic.
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HAO/Hao/hao, our resident golf betting genius, master fisherman, self-appointed betting agency representative, chinese cuisine enthusiast, master of the universe etc etc etc… please help us, please tell us who to put our hard earned money on in an upcoming event, like the australian masters. we need your guidance, please. we need you. you are our hero, oh wise one. before the tournament, if possible.
stay tuned folks, HAO/Hao/hao is about to make us rich.
November 27th, 2011 5:26 am
us masters 2012…. i select casey, simpson and mickelson. anybody else care to put their reputation on the line?
November 28th, 2011 5:20 am
like i said earlier, give me your picks for augusta 2012. i want ‘em now, not after the event when some of you will claim genius status. well??? i’m waiting. anyone??
i expect martin kaymer to take over as number one in 2012. your prediction?
ocky my predictions for 2012 are if any off your masters selections win or if kaymer becomes No1 i will never comment on here again.
What reputation is at risk? You are sea-life and I’m a golf club are we known for making decisions or predictions? That being said, rory will catch Luke but then tiger will win Augusta and then in June when rory misses the cut at the us open(he’ll be tired) tiger will gobble him up. You heard it here first!!
No-one will catch Luke. Why are you all predicting his fall, do you remember the last time he didn’t play well in a tournament. Performs week in and week out. If the US Tour and European Tour were a league system, he’s won both leagues. In some other sports that is worth more than what tournaments you won.
And even then this year he’s won twice in Europe, twice in America with a World Golf Championship to thrash the best 64 players in the world.
If you saw him today at Dubai, birdie the last three holes with such methodical ease and a putting exhibition, you’d see that it is not a matter of if he will win a major but when he will win a major.
Just because he is a modest guy, doesn’t mean he is going to be a pushover. Everything has clicked for Donald and he is at his absolute peak heading into next season. Barring injury or something unexpected, he is bound to win a major next year or at least the year after that. Then once he gets one out of the way, who knows? He’s only in his early thirties.
Donald is two full points ahead. There is a very good chance he will win the World Matchplay again because he is easily the best matchplay player in the world.
He has the best win-loss percentage in both Ryder Cup and Walker Cup I believe.
He doesn’t miss cuts, he has never missed a cut on the European Tour outside a major. NEVER, in 10 years or so of playing in it.
He had 23 top 10s this year and so many top 5s, they keep the ranking ticking in a positive direction.
And you can tell he’s starting to get the confidence finally that he is the best and he can win the biggest tournaments. Unlike Tiger, Phil or Rory, Donald has had to work harder to get to the top and is not as naturally confident as those players but now the confidence is coming and he has shown this year that he is the best player in the world and has no intention of giving up that position easily.
Well said, GTP & Papi. Let’s keep some perspective here as calling Donald’s potential win of both money titles is neither newsworthy nor true. Donald, finally, had a good year but still lacks a Major like so many terrific players: Westwood, Casey, Poulter, Mahan, Watney, etc, etc. Just shows how great are those players in the modern era that win more than one! For example, Phil.
McIlroy creates more chances than basically any other golfer on form, Westwood and Garcia come close. He can still shoot -4 from missing more than half of these chances. Tiger on form could get a -6 from the same amount of chances. If McIlroy was more clinical then no-one could really match him.
Hopefully if McIlroy actually goes on and wins this then people might shut up for a while. Major, two wins and the money list for his tour at 22 and people might actually have to eat their humble pie and just accept that he’s here to stay.
Rory 66 in Dubai, Donald only 72. Race is on.
December 8th, 2011 8:50 am
Luke Donald: Rory McIlroy has more talent than anyone I’ve ever played against.. that includes Tiger Woods.
Tiger Woods has ama**ed 14 Majors and 98 titles during a glittering career.. but he will never have the talent of Rory McIlroy.. says the World number 1.
What a GREAT display on the back nine from Rory today , back in 30!.. he was flawless from tee to green and putted superbly… his short game is the “so called” weakest part of his game, on the evidence I saw of his putting today the rest of the World will be left trailing in his wake because there is nobody better from tee to green. At his best NO ONE can live with him.. even Tiger Woods.
HAO/Hao/hao, reposting my comments and comments from others is really clever and really witty. and definitely against the pga tour comment policy to claim that you are another person, as you often do. but, all that aside, we continue to wait for that stroke of pure genius, the winner from you before the tournament starts. it’s a long wait. and X24 hot, i think i once suggested that your name sounds like a golf ball, not a club. but at least you have put forward a prediction. “rory to catch luke then tiger to catch rory”. we are talking world rankings i presume?
Yes but tiger will win the masters and rory will miss the cut at the us open. Those are my predictions. And x24 hot is the name of a golf club. Just so we are clear.
thanks X24 hot for the info on the clubs, i’m still using my X16 series irons. judging by my form, maybe i need to upgrade. seriously though, there seems to be some kind of serious dislike for rory mcilroy, especially from americans. why is he so disliked?
I don’t dislike rory. And I certainly don’t speak for all Americans. I just think his nerves have gotten the better of him a few times. And I think those times add up over time. So let’s not crown him the next best anything yet.
brads congs at last, $7-50 at start very nice.cheers.
gail i just seen on the news ,huge line off people outside registry office looking to change their names,iam just wondering could they be rory supporters or tiger detractors.get ready for the next influx of expert analysis.cheers.
HAO Thanks…I’ll look into that site! oh by the way….CONGRATS TO KEEGS AND STEELEY!!!!! WHERE’S THE LOVE!!!! COME ON!!!!!
Ocky, 我不再给你任何信息了，你没大脑，白吃。从现在起你为自己考虑。你就只会砌鱿鱼圈。Bye